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8th-Nov-2011 12:27 am
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The people you love the deepest, are the ones who will hurt you the most.

Shut Up, Dr Phil.

Let's face it -- a zombie can chew through your brain stem and suck on your cerebrum without ever having bought you flowers or remembered your birthday.

This is not a meta.

It sort of is. I mean it's my usually stream of pseudo-intellectual analysis but I am too deeply mired in my own view of Sam and Dean to even pretend anything like objectivity anymore.

Seven years. Hell, I haven't had a relationship that lasted that long.

So. This week. Lots of love. The boys learned that their relationship would be healthier if they were gay. Then Sam put his stuff in Dean's trunk and everything was fine. Heart eyes all round.

As usual fandom will argue over who's right and who's wrong but it really doesn't matter. In fact it's entirely beside the point.

"We're supposed to struggle with this Dean. That's the point."

Sam said that a long time ago. He was referring to the job, to hunting, but it applies pretty well to their relationship.

Dean was pretty depressed back then too.

Sam and Dean's relationship is just a microcosm of the bigger themes of the show, and if that's told us anything, it's that what's right and wrong or good or evil can change depending on which corner of the room you're standing in on a given day.

Sam and Dean traverse the map on an endless game of snakes and ladders. Route 66 never ends, it just loops round an endless parade of quirky motels and gaily decorated diners. The whole show is about the journey, not the destination.

Even death is not an end point for the Winchester anymore. In the tradition of Camus they are absurd heroes. Camus defined the absurd as the conflict between our drive to find meaning and purpose in a world that was inherently devoid of authentic truths, or God.

Over seven years Sam and Dean have learned, we have learned, that their mission, their raison d'etre "saving people, hunting things. The family business" has no inherent meaning. Who should be saved and who should be hunted is in the eye of the beholder. And family – we'll it comes in many forms and it don't end with blood, and it won't make you an apple pie. And God certainly, has left the building.

Camus uses the legend of Sisyphus as an example. He was a man who defied the gods, and chained death. (Sound like anyone we know?) As punishment, he was condemned to perform the endless task of pushing a boulder up a hill, only to see it roll down again. Rinse. Repeat.

That's what Dean and Sam do – they keep on hunting and trying to save people and dealing with family business. Again and again and again. They can't escape to a normal life. They can't escape through death. The monsters keep coming. Sam and Dean will argue by the Impala next to a lake. And they'll push and pull at themselves and each other and move on again.

The tragedy occurs – according to Camus - when Sisyphus acknowledges the hopelessness of his task. Maybe Dean is at that point now.

But then Camus says if he can embrace this "The struggle itself...is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy."

And maybe that's what we can hope for Sam and Dean.

Or for any of us.
7th-Nov-2011 02:10 pm (UTC)
Love you! Mostly because you just tied together two very awesome things: Albert Camus and Supernatural!

[And you made me go back and look at my philosophy essay I wrote back in school about the definitive characteristics of people in Camus works. Funny to notice now, how many of those points relate to or are exact descriptions of Sam, Dean and SPN humans in general :) ]
7th-Nov-2011 02:23 pm (UTC)
I have nothing to declare except my ladyboner.
7th-Nov-2011 02:33 pm (UTC)
You said all this other insightful and profound stuff, but I'm mostly hung up on, Then Sam put his stuff in Dean's trunk and everything was fine.

I watch read for the plot philosophy.
7th-Nov-2011 02:45 pm (UTC)
I love that I am part of a fandom that knows Camus and can quote Sisyphus at the drop of a hat. I was just telling my girlfriend about Sisyphus on Saturday. \o/
7th-Nov-2011 04:09 pm (UTC)
So, all the love I've got? Totally handing it over. I think you're right, though. We know that eventually they boys will come back together, but we all get hung up over who's right or wrong, and why they should've done this not that, and for a little while we end up looking past the point and kind of forgetting it.
7th-Nov-2011 07:30 pm (UTC)
well, I think that actually was a meta. And a very lucid one at that.

There's also Sartre -- we already had "No Exit" right?
7th-Nov-2011 08:57 pm (UTC)
You took my breath away. Camus - THAT'S IT! There it is.

This is the single best meta I have ever read. It has encapsulated what I didn't think could ever be caught.

Thank you, so much, for shedding such light on these boys, this story.
7th-Nov-2011 09:31 pm (UTC)
Very well said. :)
7th-Nov-2011 10:53 pm (UTC)
That's cool, but -- I dunno. I've seen this in telenovelas, where the relationship takes such precedent, or the beauty of a shot, or the idea of the gorgeous protagonists in particularly delish situations that stuff is left kind of hanging in the air. Contradictions arise, what seemed sacred before is sacred no longer, etc. It does feel kind of existentialist, though, I get it. I-- screw it, I'm not gonna mention the Room. Lol
7th-Nov-2011 11:12 pm (UTC)
Your brain is awesome. For the boys, seems like the boulder gets bigger every season.
8th-Nov-2011 12:03 am (UTC)
thats way too deep for a Monday - its Monday here.
8th-Nov-2011 12:22 am (UTC)

1 but:

Camus defined the absurd as the conflict between our drive to find meaning and purpose in a world that was inherently devoid of authentic truths, or God.

But, God does exist. He's just retired, right? Disappeared into the mass of humanity, riding the bus somewhere. And he's also replaceable? (TBD) Does that necessarily nullify his existence?

Also, and I'm not sure if this qualifies as a "but", it seems like Dean still holds fast to some truths. Killing Amy being a demonstration of that. I think he still strongly believes there are certain corners of the room that provide a more ideal vantage point than others. And I think considering everything they've been through, the fact that he clings to that is a pretty big deal. Maybe there is no God to tell him it's so, but there IS a right and wrong. And that is Dean's authentic truth.
8th-Nov-2011 12:24 am (UTC)
Whoah. Absurdism and Supernatural, two of my favorite things. This is spot on and so so interesting. Thanks for sharing!!
8th-Nov-2011 01:06 am (UTC)
I love this. And I agree with you. Don't make me cry.
8th-Nov-2011 01:16 pm (UTC)
Excellent and right. I can only say yes yes because...well, yes. :D

Thank you.
9th-Nov-2011 09:38 pm (UTC)
I love my fandom!! <3

I makes me smarter. The way you tied in the motto re hunting, saving people and family into a 7-year metaphor is mind blowingly awesome.
7th-Jan-2012 03:12 pm (UTC)
I read an interpretation of Sisyphus as a quintessential example of hope: no matter how many times that boulder keeps rolling back down, he will keep pushing it back up.

It's very interesting and insightful how you have tied this theme to the Winchesters' lives. I look forward to hearing from Adam Glass on the WinchesterBros podcast if they were in fact inspired by this myth, as seems entirely plausible since Dean made a direct reference to it.
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